. >> lawmakers continue to address the so-called fiscal cliff, grover norquist out and president of americans for tax reform recently spoke about the negotiations at the 2012 election results. mr. norquist is known for the pledge for getting signatories from a green to any tax increases to reduce the deficit. this hour 20 minute event was hosted by the center for the national interest. >> i am delighted to have grover norquist with us. grover, of course is president of americans for tax reform, but in the spirit of full disclosure, grover is also a member of our board of directors and a very import and college. grover spoke here several months ago, i should say here at the center, but not exactly in this room, because we just have moved it to american progress. i apologize in advance. i'm sure we will do better next time. however, grover spoke at the center several months ago, and he talked about taxes. he talked about u.s. economic policy, but that was about taxes and the electoral campaign. now we've had elections, and the tax center is at the center for a very important political debate an